050: The 420 Extravaganja with Stump the Budtender Trivia

For obvious reasons, today is a very special episode. Happy 420, everyone!

Instead of our usual interview format, we’re speaking to three budtenders in the world of cannabis. We ask each of them a handful of questions before jumping into Stump the Budtender–a game that’s exactly what it sounds like.

So, who are our contestants?

First up is Jessica Waldeck from Rebelle Dispensary. Focused on the intersection of wellness and cannabis, she began her career in this industry as a marketing coordinator at an infused yoga studio. Since then, she’s run two marathons, a sprint triathlon, and a 100-mile bike course, all aided and enhanced with cannabis.

Second, you’ll meet Nate Frim of Theory Wellness. He’s a pioneer in medical cannabis, working to understand how the human mind works and how he can help people use cannabis to overcome their challenges.

Finally, we’re joined by AK, who knows the legacy and legal markets equally well. Originally from Montclair, AK launched a delivery service in New Jersey called VibesAK, a not-for-profit dedicated to providing food and security for children in the state.

In this episode, you’ll learn the day-to-day of three very different people ostensibly doing the same job in our industry and how they got there. You’ll also hear us dive deep into the science behind a number of strains, and you’ll discover some of the latest innovations in cannabis products. And last but certainly not least, get ready to play Stump the Budtender in the second part of our very special 420 “Extravaganja” episode. Enjoy!


  • What actually happens in dispensaries–both recreational and medical–each and every business day.
  • Why Nate doesn’t say “weed” when he talks about cannabis.
  • The critical difference between mixologists in the alcohol industry and budtenders.
  • How cannabis education works for consumers, given that it’s impossible to taste and spit like wine.


  • “You are always listening to how people react to strains. It is the terpenes and the cannabinoids in it but it is also the experiences.” – Jessica Waldeck
  • “As long as you’re human, you can benefit from cannabis.” – Nate Frim
  • “I think we’re still learning the things that we can help with. So, as we learn and people learn, they start investigating on their own and get more specific for whatever they’re trying to cope with.” – AK




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Rick Kiley: All right. Hello, everyone, and welcome to a very special 50th episode of The Green Repeal. It’s our 420 episode, Jeffrey.


Jeffrey Boedges: Yeah, it sounds like an after-school special. Very special and can be a valuable lesson.


Rick Kiley: And we just missed it because it’s 4:26. You’re six minutes late.


Jeffrey Boedges: They don’t know that though.


Rick Kiley: They don’t know that? Alright. It’s not live. Cool. So, we thought we’d do something pretty different for us, something that we think is pretty special. We have three guests today. We’re doing a panel of people who are budtenders in the sales world of cannabis, and we’re really excited to have them. We’re going to ask him a few questions and then we’re going to take a break and we’re going to come back and play a game. I hope you guys are excited for this called Stump The Budtender. So, we’re going to see how good you are. There are some shaking heads. There are some smiles. I can’t tell. It’s after 4:20, so who knows what’s happening here. But we’re going to start with some guest introductions. First, we have Jessica Waldeck from Rebelle Dispensary. Jessica, welcome.


Jessica Waldeck: Thank you.


Rick Kiley: Thanks for joining. Jessica’s specific area of interest is a convergence of wellness and cannabis consumption. She began her career in this area in 2016 as a marketing coordinator at an infused yoga studio, that sounds awesome, where she experienced firsthand the benefits of pairing cannabis and fitness for a healthy lifestyle. She’s run two marathons, a sprint triathlon, a 100-mile bike course, and has countless yoga practices under her belt each aided and enhanced with cannabis. No sh*t. All right.


Jeffrey Boedges: I don’t see how a race is enhanced by weed, man.


Rick Kiley: Well, it says enhanced right here. She believes that education is the key to shattering the stigmas associated with cannabis and that through knowledge, we can all become enlightened. Jessica, welcome to The Green Repeal.


Jessica Waldeck: Thanks, guys. I’m excited to be here.


Rick Kiley: Awesome. We’re excited to have you. Next, we have Nate Frim from Theory Wellness. Now, Nate is a pioneer in the medical cannabis community. Okay. So, we’ve got a medical expert here. Currently a retail supervisor with Theory Wellness at their original location in the scenic town of Bridgewater, Massachusetts. It is nice there. He’s been with the company for over four years, and his career in the industry happened unexpectedly one day when he went into his favorite dispensary, Theory, as a patient. The staff knew him resulting from prior visits and recognized his passion and extensive knowledge for the products. And he was offered employment on the spot. Now, wait a minute.


Nate Frim: It’s true.


Rick Kiley: On the spot but like how many times were you in there before it was…


Nate Frim: Maybe two or three times.


Rick Kiley: Wow. That is fast.


Jeffrey Boedges: Yeah. I’ve been offered a job here at this bar that we’re at. I’ve only been in two or three times.


Rick Kiley: That’s good. Good. So, he still refers to this day as the day he landed his dream job. That’s awesome. His fascination with how the human mind works and desire to help people find the best cannabis treatment to overcome their challenges is his true passion. Welcome, Nate. We’re excited to have you here, man.


Nate Frim: Thank you. Hello, there. Hello.


Rick Kiley: All right. And finally, we have AK. AK comes to us from the legacy market with an extensive knowledge of the legal market as well and how to work around it.


AK: Right. Correct. Yeah.


Rick Kiley: Awesome. Originally from Montclair, AK got into the industry after being introduced by a friend he met while incarcerated for a nonviolent offense in his mid-20s. That friend at the time was known as the James Bond of Weed. Nice title.


Jeffrey Boedges: Man, if I met James Bond of Weed, I’d be so enthused.


Rick Kiley: It’s nice. Yeah. And that’s probably good enough to get anyone in the industry. The real impetus from getting into the industry was financial since there are so few avenues open to those with criminal records. Two years ago, he started VibesAK. a delivery service in New Jersey. Yes, it does deliver weed, but as importantly is a not-for-profit dedicated to providing food and security for children in the state. And as New Jersey moves from medical into recreational, they’re planning to expand services by taking advantage of the new recreational cannabis laws and social justice initiatives. Welcome, AK.


AK: Thank you.


Rick Kiley: All right, man. We’re excited to have you here. We’re excited to have all of you here. Do you want to get us started because you had a first question that wasn’t even on the list? Do you remember?


Jeffrey Boedges: No.


Rick Kiley: It was who’s got the samples?


Jeffrey Boedges: Oh, that was the last question. That was the tiebreaker.


Rick Kiley: The tiebreaker for the game. So, I think what I’m interested in and we do a lot of work in the trade advocacy world in the alcohol beverage industry. We work with budtenders and mixologists a lot. I’m just curious as to sort of like what the day in the life of someone in retail in the world of cannabis is like. And maybe, Nate, we’ll just start down the line with you and move through it. Can you run us through that?


Nate Frim: Yes. So, typically, the managers will come in at our location in Bridgewater. We open every day at 9:30 a.m., so managers will show up for about quarter to nine, 9 AM. We’ll get the product out. The big thing there in the town of Bridgewater, that location, we’re medical-only. The town has voted against recreational for now. So, that being said…


Jeffrey Boedges: It’s legal in Connecticut but not in Bridgewater?


Nate Frim: Right. Not at the moment. So, that being said, all the medicated product has to be put away every night. It has to be stored in a vault. So, each day, it’s a pretty big process. We have a big kind of a cart that has two sides and we have bins that we stack up on each side of the cart. We’re talking probably six feet tall by four feet wide. So, yeah, that takes probably about an hour to get all the products out. We get all the cash registers ready to go. And at that point, we open up at 9:30. People start coming in. So, that’s kind of the typical process there at our location.


Rick Kiley: Cool. Jessica?


Jessica Waldeck: Yeah, same way. We start the day but the full day is a lot of education. You don’t know who’s going to walk through the door and so you’re kind of just educating after educating, educating, really finding the best cannabis product for people and we have like newbies and veterans, smoking veterans. So, just mostly talking cannabis and learning and hearing experiences, how they experience their last flower or an edible so that we can take that knowledge and then pass it on. We’re just like encyclopedias of weed.


Jeffrey Boedges: Right. Is Theory both med and rec? Or just med? I’m sorry. Not Theory. I misspoke.


Nate Frim: Yeah. Theory is both.


Jeffrey Boedges: Yeah. Rebelle.


Jessica Waldeck: Oh, Rebelle is just recreational.


Jeffrey Boedges: Just rec. All right. So, you still have to do the educational process or more so.


Jessica Waldeck: Oh yeah, definitely. People want, they come into the store wanting a specific high like during its specific consumption method. And so, you just…


Jeffrey Boedges: So, like buy album like so I’m going to go Pink Floyd and I want to have something heavy and tomorrow I’m going to do some…


Jessica Waldeck: Yeah, exactly. People do come in. They’re like, “I’m going to clean my house. What’s a good strain?” We did have someone. I’m doing my taxes that we have to take all our knowledge that we’ve learned from people saying how this consumption method hits them and then reeducate people like, “I’ve heard this is great for your taxes.”


Jeffrey Boedges: Accounting weed. That’s for our group back there.


Rick Kiley: Our finance teams? You guys listening? Yeah. We have allotted our – if we do hear laughter in the background, we’re paying for it.


Jeffrey Boedges: We have a live audience. Yeah.


Rick Kiley: We’re bribing them to be here. It’s a good live audience. Okay. Cool. AK, same question to you, man. What’s a day in the life in your world?


AK: All right. Well, you know, we start off with marketing. You know, I mean, every day I try to think of something that people can either relate to or laugh about that will have them thinking about me for the day. You know what I mean? So, whenever they feel like, “I need to smoke,” they’ll think to call me, and then I’ll just pull up. I’ll deliver wherever they’re at.


Jeffrey Boedges: So, give us an example of the marketing.


AK: All right. Marketing last week, Will Smith smacked the sh*t out of Chris Rock. So, we use that opportunity. I mean, the idea came from my wife who’s here, I mean she’s in the audience, to turn that into a meme. And I forget exactly how the meme went but it was something like, oh, it was a quote. Will Smith was smacking Chris Rock and saying, “You know, we only smoke VibesAK.” You know what I mean? Like, he was disrespectful like you trying to smoke something else? You know what I mean? So, like we do things like that to try to like engage people.


Jeffrey Boedges: And you’re sharing that out via direct mail. What are you doing? How are you getting that message out?


AK: We do that. I mean Instagram mostly. Yeah, Instagram, basically, social media, Snapchat, Telegram, things like that.


Rick Kiley: All right, cool. And then for each of you, what was the impetus behind I want to hear more. I gave you the intro behind the story about how you became a budtender, how you got into this business. And so, just curious about that. Jessica, why don’t we start with you this time?


Jessica Waldeck: Yeah. So, 2016, I was more marketing like more of the media side of this yoga cannabis, and it was called The B in Denver, and it was smoking weed and then doing yoga. And the teacher, Holly Hoops, If she’s – The B is not around anymore, but she would just while we were in the flow, kind of explain how your endocannabinoid system works with the weed you just smoked. And so, it’s just a full mind-body. And then in 2019, I moved to Southern California and was in San Bernardino County, and they just opened up their first dispensary and I wanted to get back like in the industry but I didn’t have the knowledge base of products really just like of smoking weed. That’s all I know. So, since I was new, they wanted to train people how they wanted to sell weed, and so I was like a perfect candidate of been in the industry but doesn’t know how to like sell weed. And so, that’s how I started was a budtender brand new. And like I said before, you learn at the job. You are always like listening to how people reacted to strains and it is like the terpenes and the cannabinoids in it but it is experiences.


And so, by working with people and asking what they liked or mostly coworkers, we’re all smoking the products, we’re just sharing that knowledge with each other and what strain made them feel like this if it was like a pungent taste. It’s just by learning and being in an industry that you get this knowledge and get the jargon of how to talk about cannabis. And then I moved to Massachusetts and still wanted to be in the industry, and I started working with Cann. I was a brand ambassador and really wanted to be in one space. I was moving a lot for Cann, and so then now I’m with Rebelle.


Rick Kiley: That’s so awesome.


Jeffrey Boedges: Yeah. Are the suppliers bringing in any additional education to you or is it all by trial and error and listening? Is that the only way you learn?


Jessica Waldeck: Oh no, the suppliers do. They do a really good job of training. They’re great about making sure we get samples and then allowing us to like try but then they come in and they say what the extraction process is, what terpenes are adding back into it. And that also helps you sell the weed.


Jeffrey Boedges: Yeah. Education’s always…


Jessica Waldeck: The weed.


Jeffrey Boedges: Yeah. That’s a technical term. We don’t like to throw it around too much. Yeah. Okay. Cool.


Rick Kiley: Cool. AK, tell us a little bit more about how you got involved in the business yourself.


AK: Again, it was a financial decision but at the same time, I was paying attention to the industry and how it was developing, how laws were loosening. I wanted to take advantage of it. You know, because I felt like people in my position at the time kind of had an advantage positioning-wise, you see what I’m saying, to supply or to handle the demand that was growing or being more laxed. So, when I went to prison, I kind of made a point to look for a plug, you know what I’m saying? And I found one of my boys who they had dug – he got caught on a private plane with like 300 pounds.


Rick Kiley: That’s a lot.


Jeffrey Boedges: He could explain that one. That’s just private consumption right there.


AK: Yeah, exactly. And when I found out what his charges were, I mean, I started asking him questions like, how does one…


Jeffrey Boedges: Get 300 pounds?


AK: Yeah. And like, how did you work that up? Like, what’s your story, guy? I want to know because I want to do that. I mean he would just teach me about how things work, how he did it, and we became friends. When we came home, I got home before him. He came home maybe a year later, and at this time, I had been gone for about five years. And mind you, he only got like a year for that. So, like…


Jeffrey Boedges: He got a good lawyer.


AK: Not only did he have a good lawyer but they call him the James Bond of Weed because he was on the run for like three years. He had like five different IDs, passports like the marshals were like, bro, he had a bulletin board of his face on FBI’s most-wanted list.


Rick Kiley: Yeah. I think you can get a fake ID with every 10 pounds of weed. So, that’s like 30 fake IDs right there.


AK: He was doing his thing but he’s the one who schooled – he was my mentor, so to speak.


Jeffrey Boedges: That’s crazy.


Rick Kiley: It’s good to have mentors. They bring you places. Awesome. Cool, man. Nate, tell us your story.


Nate Frim: Well, my story, I agree with a lot of Jessica’s and Akin’s points. Great points. A lot about helping the patients for me is feedback, kind of reporting their anecdotal experiences and kind of seeing how consistent those experiences are. But long story short, I’ve had my medical card for about almost 10 years now in Massachusetts. I’ve always seen cannabis as more of a medicine as opposed to something that just gets you high. So, I think as long as you’re human, you can benefit from cannabis. You know, everybody has specific ailments. You might not be able to sleep, you might have a terminal illness, you might have anxiety. I think it can help in a lot of different areas. So, that’s kind of how I look at it. And again, us being only medical at that location, we kind of operate more like a pharmacy. So, there is a certain terminology that would maybe be frowned upon. You might not want to…


Jeffrey Boedges: You don’t say weed?


Nate Frim: You don’t want to say weed. We tend to get a little nerdy, right? So, we take it pretty seriously and we really want to help the patient’s quality of life. That’s really what it’s about for us and that’s what I’m in it for is to help people. I have a pretty strong background in psychology so I’m really fascinated with how the human mind works and each patient is uniquely different and special. And we do have a lot of regulars that come in and you remember them. They remember you. I’ve been there for almost five years so they come in looking for me. If I’m off for a couple of days, “Where is he? Where is Nate?” So, I kind of try to build that cult-like following. A side note, I’m a big Phish fan. So, that’s kind of how I try to build my crowd.


Rick Kiley: I thought you looked familiar.


Nate Frim: Right. I’ve seen you a couple of times out there.


Rick Kiley: I know.


Nate Frim: See you in Mansfield this summer.


Rick Kiley: Yeah. I’m usually at the New Year’s runs here.


Nate Frim: Oh yeah. MSG, Baker’s Dozen. All 13 here.


Rick Kiley: Oh, wow.


Rick Kiley: Okay. We made it to two so that’s…


Jeffrey Boedges: That’s impressive.


Rick Kiley: You’re in a different league. All right. Cool. Well, I’m glad that we’re starting to talk about the people that you interact with because I’m curious because you each are in different sort of areas of this business. I’m curious as to the level of knowledge and understanding that most people that you engage with probably for the first time. I’m not talking about your repeat customers, but someone who calls you up.


Jeffrey Boedges: A newbie.


Rick Kiley: Someone who walks in your dispensary. What are people walking in the streets with? Like what level of understanding do they have and how much help do they need? And maybe, AK, we’ll start with you this time.


AK: If I’m honest, most people don’t really know too much, unfortunately, but I will say, go spin it off for what they were saying like helping like patients. Like, before, It was like you can go to a medical marijuana dispensary and get stuff like we would have pop-ups and stuff and people with cancer or things like that would come, and that’s where they would shop. So, they would be like informed more so.


Rick Kiley: So, you were doing a pop-up before it was legal in any way. Like, out in the open?


AK: Yeah. Not out in the open. They were always secret locations. You know what I mean? And it was like word of mouth, friend of a friend kind of thing. But like people who, you know, a lot of people who suffer from cancer and things like that would come through there because it was the only place they could go at the time and they were doing it more for medical reasons. Everybody else was doing it just to like party or to sell. So, when they would come in, they would be kind of coming in with knowledge and putting people on like who are actually selling bud because they would be asking those questions we didn’t know so then we had to start figuring it out. And then like they would come in and like most people would come and they would be like, “All right, we need a couple of peas.” They were coming and would be like, “Yeah. We need like an ounce of this for this because when I wake up, I have pain but I don’t want weed that makes me sleepy because I have stuff to do today.” So, we had to start learning that kind of stuff


Rick Kiley: So, they were coming to you with the problem and you were figuring it out for them.


AK: Yeah. Or they would notice like they would notice we didn’t know. So, they would have to come with their own information, their own knowledge, and then they would tell us what they need and they would be like, “Do you have this because it does this?”


Rick Kiley: Do you feel that’s still the case today or now you and others in your team are more educated?


AK: I think it’s both because we’re still learning the things that we can help with. So, as we learn that and people learn that, they start investigating on their own and then like getting more specific for whatever they’re trying to cope with.


Rick Kiley: Okay. So, difference number one between a mixologist in alcohol beverage and someone in the cannabis industry is that mixologists think they know everything already and you’re still learning as you go.


Jeffrey Boedges: Yeah. We have a friend mixologist in the crowd tonight, and they’re both shaking their heads, saying, “What?”


Rick Kiley: So, it’s okay.


Nate Frim: You never stop learning, you know.


AK: Exactly. Yeah.


Rick Kiley: Jessica, like when the people walk into Rebelle, where are they at?


Jessica Waldeck: There is like tiers of knowledge. Everyone is still learning but a lot of people are that beginner. You have to teach them like this package says Indica. An Indica is indicouch so it’s more calming. Sativa is going to be your energy, your euphoric highs. And so, you have to start very basic. Five milligrams of THC in Massachusetts is the maximum a gummy can be. And so, you have to say that’s a great way to dose yourself and then teach them. And then you pretty much stop there because that’s already a lot of information. But then you do have somebody coming in and they know that already but now they’re ready to learn more. So, you’re ready to introduce to them cannabinoids. Are you ready to learn what CBD is, CBG is? And slowly you’re educating them, but you do even have that very frequent flier who’s coming in a lot that still needs to learn what terpenes are and how they affect your high. And so, you are constantly learning but there is a stagger of like knowledge base, and every day we gain a new smoker.


So, every day you’re starting from the beginning and every day you also have that advanced smoker. So, it is as much as they’re learning, yeah, you’re also like taking the feedback. You and your coworkers are just like we get to decide what the jargon is as budtenders. We get to decide how we’re selling this product by teaching people this is how you would consume it. And so, it’s a lot of education within and outside.


Jeffrey Boedges: It’s a very smart approach. Are there people out there that are telling you to do it that way or is this something you figured out on your own? Because to me, that’s one of those kinds of insights that would benefit a lot of suppliers. And I don’t know that I’ve heard it from that side.


Jessica Waldeck: I research cannabis so much, and I think most budtenders do research it like this. But I think I am a little bit different than most budtenders because I am trying to break it down and figure out how are we going to educate simply but then also, I’m talking to a customer or a client, I’m starting very simple, and then I find myself going down this rabbit hole so deep and talking about Limonene terpene and how that makes you feel when they don’t even know like the basics. So, I think as a whole, the industry will move towards this, right? Once we get like a large percentage of people on the same jargon, we can start then selling it terpene strong or we need to move away from THC percentage. So, I think that’s coming but we have to educate first. We have to get most people on this second level of knowledge.


Rick Kiley: Yeah. What would be helpful for me is just a simple equation that’s like 2022 equals how many times 1993 like in terms of weed in the strength.


Jeffrey Boedges: Like a THC level. Yeah.


Rick Kiley: That’s what I really need. So, like, how much stronger is this than what I had in college is a good general algorithm I think would be helpful for a lot of people.


Jessica Waldeck: Yes, I agree. It is like that but they are doing it. Since I’ve been in the industry, they started putting TAC percentage, which is like the total – help me with that.


Nate Frim: Active cannabinoid,


Jessica Waldeck: Thank you. Total active cannabinoid. So, now we’re not just concentrated on the THC or the Delta 9. We are concentrated on the CBG is the CBD. So, we are moving into this very slowly and some people don’t understand, and some people still do want their 1995.


Rick Kiley: No, no, no.


Jeffrey Boedges: Sure. Yeah, yeah.


Rick Kiley: I want the better stuff. I just want to know mathematically where I’m going to be in an hour.


Jeffrey Boedges: I got some friends upstate that all graze in ’95.


Rick Kiley: No. That’s good.


Jeffrey Boedges: It would give you a headache.


Nate Frim: Well, to that point, you know, everybody is so uniquely different. We have people that we call the inside-outers that they might respond to an Indica the opposite. They might be uplifted by an Indica. You guys have probably seen that before, or vice versa. They might use a Sativa and it might put them down. So, it’s really hard to guarantee it until we know that person a little bit better. So, you just have to be able to adjust and read the person in front of you.


Rick Kiley: Got it. In the medical space in Theory, are you finding people have come in with more educational know-how? Or are they starting from a place of like, “I just got this. I heard that cannabis will help. I know nothing.”?


Nate Frim: Kind of both ends of that. We have the people that have never used it before, and they kind of have that stipulation. They feel almost like it’s a drug deal. They have to check over their shoulders and, “Can I even talk about this out loud?” basically. They’re still getting comfortable with that. And then you have the people that kind of storm right in, “Oh, I just smoked a blunt,” you know, whatever it might be. So, you get all kinds of different folks, all different types of personalities. And it’s interesting because a lot of people do view cannabis similar to alcohol and especially with the percentages, as we were just mentioning. But cannabis and alcohol are more similar in the hops and terpenes. Hops and terpenes are actually very similar and the way that the aromatherapy aspect of those can be very comparable.


Rick Kiley: Interesting.


Nate Frim: You guys are probably very familiar with the humulene hop. That can be similar to…


Rick Kiley: Assume I’m not. Okay.


Jeffrey Boedges:  Humulene. Oh man, that’s what I wanted from the bar. I ordered it as well.


Nate Frim: The humulene hop can be kind of an earthy flavor, kind of musky, and there are a lot of cannabis strains that have that earthiness to it and can provide a similar effect. That one’s a less studied terpene I should say but it’s very similar in that sense, not as much in the numbers. So, that’s why we’re trying to stray away from percentages. The terpene is more – the terpene kind of gives the cannabis its personality, right? Whether it’s going to give you that uplift or it’s going to kind of put you down or treat pain, that’s more in the flavor and the smell. That’s where anything, as Jess had mentioned, the cannabinoids CBG, CBC, CBD, obviously THC.


Rick Kiley: Got it.


Jeffrey Boedges: When somebody comes in, they’re new, and they don’t know jack sh*t, and they’re going to try something for the first time for either recreational purposes on your guy’s case or for medical purposes where you don’t really know what the effect is going to be. It’s not like a wine tasting. I don’t get to slurp and spit. You’re going to get high. And how do you deal with that? You just give them small amounts for the first time and try and find something that works?


Nate Frim: Exactly. To Jess’s point, at our location, we do start with 5 milligrams and kind of recommend depending on the product because, say gummies, gummies usually take about 30 to 45 minutes to set in for most cases. So, we would say, “Wait it out 45 minutes to an hour and then increase your dose another 5 milligrams.” We kind of play it in a conservative manner. That way, you can always go ahead. You can’t go back. So, some people who just jump right in, might go a little overboard, and they might kind of freak out. We just remind them that it might be kind of like a psychedelic trip but it’s not going to be dangerous. You might be going to the fridge in a couple of hours. There, you might sleep.


Jeffrey Boedges: A couple of hours.


Nate Frim: But it’s nothing that’s going to be life-threatening if you have an experience like that.


Jeffrey Boedges: But what about the sales side? So, you give them a Dog Walker and send them on their way or a single gummy or you give them a 25 pack? Because what if it didn’t work?


Nate Frim: Well, that’s a good point. It’s more to their discretion because we’re not going to tell them, you know, if they come in with a certain, “I’d like to spend this amount of money,” we’ll work with them there and then we just say, “Take it slow. Don’t do it all at once.” If you’re getting multiple different products kind of space it out, maybe try them on separate days so you can kind of get that pure effect without altering. You know, after a while, consuming many different products, it kind of just all blends together so it’s good to try them in an isolated way to get that effect.


Jeffrey Boedges: I did that in my last Phish show.


Nate Frim: Right, right, right. Oh yeah.


Rick Kiley: That happens. All right. Well, we’re going to get to the game in a minute but I do have one final question for all of you. Let’s say you have a customer who comes in. He’s like in his 40s. He’s a father, has a stressful job. Maybe he owns a marketing agency or something. And because of all these things on his mind, some strains of cannabis will cause him to get really paranoid, freak out occasionally. What would you recommend for this fictional human who wants to keep calm and clarity, but zero anxiety? You know, we all start over this end of the table.


AK: You said you wanted clear?


Rick Kiley: Just some calm and clarity, you know, laid back, mellow but no paranoia.


Jeffrey Boedges: It’s like a relaxed setting.


AK: I’d give you a hybrid that was Indica-dominant.


Rick Kiley: Oh, a hybrid? Okay.


AK: That was probably Indica-dominant so you would have that body high of like just chill and calm but with the Indica kick that have you like focused and like thinking and like kind of in your head a little bit. But the Indica would be dominant so you wouldn’t have that paranoia and anxiety that kind of comes with that Sativa that’s like that overthinking. You know what I mean? Where we sometimes get…


Rick Kiley: Yeah. I hate overthinking. Thank you.


AK: So, I mean, I would give you a hybrid that’s Indica-dominant


Jeffrey Boedges: Well, we start with the overthinking standpoint so that is something that makes you overthink.


Rick Kiley: Yeah. That’d be good, by the way, Underthinking, a good name for our weed.


Jeffrey Boedges: No Thinking is what we would call it. Yeah.


Rick Kiley: Cool. Does that sound good? What else? Do you have any other?


Jessica Waldeck: So, I’m a big micro-doser so a little bit, like you said, low and slow. You know, start low and slow. But there’s this new technology out there. It’s called nanotechnology and it’s where they can like break down the THC chemical to be like…


Rick Kiley: They had that in Star Trek.


Jessica Waldeck: …water-soluble. Yeah. And so, now it goes through your bloodstream, and so you could feel the effects within 15 to 20 minutes compared to an edible that takes about 30 to 2 hours. So, I would say a 1:1 nanotechnology gummy every three hours, every three to four hours,


Rick Kiley: Every three to four hours?


Jeffrey Boedges: I like that.


Jessica Waldeck: No stress with the, you know, the CBD is going to be calming. No paranoia, but you still get your…


Rick Kiley: All right. Cool. Do we have any other recommendations here?


Nate Frim: Yes. Couple of ideas, couple of strains came to mind with some Theory Wellness originals. So, we have a great strain for what exactly which you mentioned. It is like a 50/50 hybrid, maybe like a 55/45 slightly Indica-leaning, getting a little nerdy with it. But yeah, that one is really good for anxiety in particular. It’s really good for migraines. A little bit more on the relaxing side but still enough clarity without getting too stupefied. The dominant terpene would be myrcene, and that’s really kind of why you get that reaction. It’s very comfortable. You get equal head, equal body.


Rick Kiley: Where does the term myrcene come from? I know like limonene is the lemon scent, but myrcene is?


Nate Frim: I’m not certain on that one but I know it does work very well for anxiety, works really well for pain, namely nerve pain and migraines. We have another strain as well called the Wedding Cake. That’s a 60/40 Indica hybrid. It has notes of vanilla. Very sweet. It’s a very what I would call approachable strain across the board. So, a lot of people like it. If you’re kind of in doubt and don’t know and can’t read the person that well, that’s always kind of a go-to that by default you know it’s going to be nice.


Rick Kiley: Yeah. It is like a wedding.


Nate Frim: You guys try that, Akin and Jess?


AK: What is that?


Nate Frim: The Wedding Cake strain? You’ve probably tried that.


AK: Not yet.


Nate Frim: What you got in this thing? What is it? A Triangle Kush and Animal Mints cross, I believe.


Rick Kiley: That’s what it’s called. You say Animal Mints?


Nate Frim: Animal Mints. Yeah, great strain on its own. Triangle Kush, that’s a classic, but…


Jessica Waldeck: This is what I’m talking about, the spiral. We can get deep.


Nate Frim: Yeah. What I would say, yeah, anything, if anybody tends to go overboard, CBD always helps, too.


Rick Kiley: Alright. Akin, what were you going to say?


AK: What was I going to say? Oh, we were talking about the Wedding Cake and what was mixed with. See, things like that, bro, is up to debate. You know what I’m saying? Because growers clone and mix things all the time and just name it whatever they want. You can’t measure that. Like, somebody will say, “Oh, this is Wedding Cake,” but it’s really Ice Cream Cake. And truth be told, Ice Cream Cake came more before Wedding Cake so the dominant is Ice Cream Cake. So, you automatically assume that it’s an Ice Cream Cake mix.


Jessica Waldeck: But it’s a cake strain.


AK: Exactly. But the cake is like the common denominator. You know what I’m saying?


Nate Frim: In our case, we have a little bit more control because we manufacture everything that we have at our location. We have the production right on-site and it distributes to all our other locations. So, we have more control. We don’t really work with many wholesalers. It’s usually in-house products. So, that’s kind of how we started.


Rick Kiley: All right. Well, with there, we’re going to take a quick break. I can tell you guys have so much frickin knowledge. I’m so excited for the game.


Nate Frim: Starting to get loose over here.


Rick Kiley: We’re starting to get loose. We’re going to come back and we’re going to play our game, Stump The Budtender, in just a minute. All right.


Jeffrey Boedges: For fabulous prizes.


Rick Kiley: All right, cool.


Jeffrey Boedges: Which we forgot the prizes.


Rick Kiley: We’ll be right back.




Rick Kiley: All right. Hello, everyone. Welcome back. We are here for Stump the bartender. Start the Budtender.


Jeffrey Boedges: Start the Budtender.


Rick Kiley: It’s cool. Probably shouldn’t have done the tequila shots in between.


Jeffrey Boedges: Maybe. Maybe not.


Rick Kiley: But here we go. So, we have four categories of questions. The first category of the game we’re going to play is simply Cannabis History. The second one, What Strain Am I, which is going to be a visual category.


Jeff Boedges: It’s going to play great on the podcast.


Rick Kiley: Yeah. It’s going to be on the radio. And after that, we’ve got… Katie, what’s after that? Totally forgot.


Katie Weber: Stoner quotes, I believe.


Rick Kiley: Stoner quotes. So, people have said things.


AK: Like who said that kind of thing?


Rick Kiley: Oh yeah. It’s all going to be good. And then there’s one more and I already forgot.


Katie Weber: That would be the price is right.


Rick Kiley: Oh yeah. Oh, we’re going to see how well you know the prices of your products.


Jessica: Massachusetts prices or…


Rick Kiley: We live in New York City.


Katie Weber: These are West Coast prices actually because I want to show you guys early.


Rick Kiley: Oh, my goodness.


Jeffrey Boedges: That should play well for you, Jess. You have the experience.


Rick Kiley: You hear in the background Katie Weber. Katie Weber helps us produce The Green Repeal. She’s done a great job bringing this together. Give it up for Katie. Okay. So, you guys, I’m going to go right to left. Nate, I’m going to start with you. Cannabis history. Question one. As legend has it, the origins of the term 420 dates back to the 70s, when a group of five high school teenagers in California used to meet at 4:20 each week in search of a cannabis plant that was supposedly left behind in a forest by a U.S. Coast Guard member who could no longer tend to the crop. They met at 4:20 p.m. as they were all athletes and had sports practice to attend to ahead of time. What was this group of teens nicknamed? a) The Waldos, b) The Waldins, or c) The Weirdos.


Nate: I’m going to say a) The Waldos.


Rick Kiley: That is correct. One point. Very good. Alright, Jessica? What propaganda film made in 1936 became a cornerstone of the anti-drug movement in the 1970s? This is not a multiple choice.


Jessica: I was like, where’s my choices?.


Rick Kiley: Sorry. There are some multiple choice. This is not one.


Jeff Boedges: Jessica may also be one of our younger panelists. So, it’s going to be…


Rick Kiley: You can ask for a hint.


Jeff Boedges: You can get a lifeline.


Nate: Lifeline.


Jessica: I know somebody who knows the answer.


Katie Weber: If you know, somebody just forgot it.


Jeffrey Boedges: Oh my god. Yeah. That sounds like…


Jessica: I’ll take a hint.


Rick Kiley: What’s the hint?


Kate Weber: Can I say?


Jeff Boedges: No. A hint. Two words.


Katie Weber: Okay. Yeah. It is two words.


Rick Kiley: A nickname for cannabis is in there. Sometimes people call it something. It begins.


Jeff Boedges: Also, it’s…


Rick Kiley: The star of 24, his first name.


Jeff Boedges: Well, I’ll just add, nickname for a refrigerator truck is called?


Jessica: Grateful Madden. Madness.


Rick Kiley: Close enough. It was Reefer Madness.


Jeff Boedges: Are we giving her full credit?


Rick Kiley: Well, she get half credit. She got madness for that so half a point for that. Okay. This is a hard one. This next one, it is multiple choice though. AK. In New Orleans a century ago, in the 1920s, marijuana users were vilified and given a nickname which might make you think of Harry Potter. What was this nickname? a) Potter heads, b) Muggle heads, or c) wizard heads.


AK: Potter heads?


Rick Kiley: Sorry. The answer was b) Muggle heads. That’s what they were called. The muggle heads were coming. They were all around. They were ruining New Orleans. One of our early podcast guests, Adam Rathge, wrote this article about the people who are already starting to vilify marijuana users in New Orleans.


Jeff Boedges: I would have guessed wrongly as well and I actually work here, so I’ve got no excuses.


Rick Kiley: We’ll stay with you right now, AK. We’re going to go back. Which United States president put cannabis on Schedule 1 and made it so vilified as it is today? Do you want multiple choice? I can give you hints on this one.


Jeff Boedges: Probably just do like we do like visuals?


AK: Nixon?


Jeffrey Boedges: This is like super passwords.


Rick Kiley: Alright. Nate, this one may be set up for you, I think. Which state first legalized marijuana for medical use and in what year?


Nate: Definitely, California. Year? Any hints on that one?


Rick Kiley: You had probably seen 30 Phish shows by then, but not 100.


Nate: Let me see.


AK: He’s like 1970.


Nate: Oh, no, no, no, no. I want to say 2007.


Rick Kiley: Sorry. It was in the 90s, actually. 1996. Yeah, it was early.


Jeff Boedges: You get half credit for that.


Nate: All right. All right. I’ll take it.


Rick Kiley: All right. Okay. This is our last history question. What was the first federal U.S. law to criminalize marijuana nationwide? The Act imposed an excise tax on the sale, possession, and transfer of all hemp products effectively criminalizing all but industrial uses of the plant. Was it a) the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, b)  the Cannabis Carve Out Act of 1954, or c) the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937?


Jessica: C.


Rick Kiley: That is correct.


Jessica: Marijuana Tax Act. I studied that.


Rick Kiley: Right. I totally invented the Cannabis Carve Out Act of 1954 but I just want to say it again. I thought it was good. Okay. We’re moving on to Category 2. Katie is going to help us with this one. This is my favorite.


Jeff Boedges: This is the visual one. This is going to play well.


Rick Kiley: So, this is What Strain Am I. For this round, we have selected nine popular cannabis strains for our guest identify. You’re each going to get three, an image of a strain and we can give you some additional clues if you need them. Okay? And we even can get to multiple-choice if you need it. So, let’s start at this end at AK. Alright. So, strain number one. This is described as a smooth, fruity hybrid strain that is a cross of Thin Mint GSC and Sherbet for Sunset Sherbet. Wow. Originating from cookie fan genetics out of San Francisco, California, it has a sweet aroma relating to its namesake.


Jeff Boedges: If any one of these guys gets one of these right, I swear to God, I’m going to vote for you for president.


Rick Kiley: Well, there’s going to be multiple choice.


Jeff Boedges: Oh, multiple choice? Alright.


Rick Kiley: Yeah, multiple choice. The multiple-choice options are, is it a) Cherry pie, b) Gelato, or c) Fruity pebbles?


AK: Hold on.


Rick Kiley: Wait. He’s got an app for this?


AK: No, it’s not an app.


Rick Kiley: Oh, that would be awesome. By the way, billion-dollar idea right there. Why are we not inventing the find the strain app?


Jeff Boedges: Identified by strain app.


Rick Kiley: All right. Hold on.


Jeffrey Boedges: Always got a light. He’s got an owl.


Jessica: Those Tri Combs, we got to check them out.


Rick Kiley: Cherry pie, gelato, or fruity pebbles. All right. This is a timed show.


AK: What was the first one?


Rick Kiley: Cherry pie.


AK: I’m going to go with cherry pie.


Rick Kiley: I’m sorry. The answer was b) Gelato.


AK: Gelato.


Rick Kiley: I wouldn’t know that. Alright. Sorry.


Jeffrey Boedges: In this case, you got no point.


Rick Kiley: All right, Jessica. We’re going to you.


Jeffrey Boedges:  All right. Look, this is hard.


Rick Kiley: Strain number two. This strain is known for its high THC percentages and role in creating other popular strains. It’s an Indica-heavy hybrid that hits hard and brings about an intensely euphoric and cerebral high. The strain is loved by both medical and recreational users and is incredibly helpful to those struggling with anxiety, depression, or chronic pain. Is it a) Pineapple Express, b) White Rhino, or c) OG Kush?


Jessica: OG Kush.


Rick Kiley: She is correct. Guacamole right there.


AK: They’re getting all the easy ones.


Rick Kiley: You only took two.


AK: They’re getting the easy ones. It’s a fact.


Jeffrey Boedges: Alright. Let’s try to go with the easy one.


Rick Kiley: Okay. Next one. A Sativa-dominant strain cross between Purple Punch and Clementine, it’s become a popular daytime use strain. It’s said to produce an energetic and uplifting high. It’s a medium-sized plant that has a THC content that can vary from 17% to 30%. Is it a) mimosa b)…


Jeffrey Boedges: Hold on. I would say if you can name it without being told, you get two points.


AK: Mimosa.


Rick Kiley: It’s mimosa. All right. I want AK to get the choice. You just show up three and he gets to choose which one he wants. I don’t want him to say… No, no, no…


AK: No, no. Let’s do it. I don’t want charity.


Rick Kiley: That’s what it’s called. Charity. You’re right. All right. Let’s give in with Nate. Next one with Nate. We’re going to go the other way. Show him the next one. All right. This strain stands out among the most famous strains of all time. It’s a pure Indica cherished for its resonance buds, fast flowering, resilience during growth. The strain has been given rise to famous hybrids. He knows the answer. It is? Oh, does he know it already?


Jeffrey Boedges: I thought he said yeah. The way he looked like that guy on…


Rick Kiley: It’s given rise to the famous…


Nate: I need to hear a little bit more. It wasn’t descriptive enough.


Rick Kiley: Strain has given rise to the famous hybrids like Shiva Skunk and Super Silver Haze. Its most well-known effect is its sedative nature.


Nate: I’d go with Platinum Kush.


Rick Kiley: That is not correct but I’ll give you the multiple-choice if you want.


Nate: Oh please!


Rick Kiley: Okay. Forbidden fruit, Northern lights, or Purple Punch?


Nate: Northern Lights.


Rick Kiley: Northern Lights is correct. Wow. You are good.


Jeff Boedges: It’s like seeing PGA players in their elements. It’s like watching the Masters.


Rick Kiley: This is amazing to me. Yeah. Either one. Who’s going, Jessica?


Jessica: Sure.


Rick Kiley: All right. Created by Crockett Family Farms, this potent Sativa strain was created from crossing tangle with the lemon skunk. Tangle with lemon skunk. I thought that was all one. Sorry. Tangle with lemon skunk. Users love this strain for its sweet citrus flavor and high THC content, which can reach up to 27%. The strain has some cerebral effects but less so compared to its other Sativa relatives. It encourages users to be more alert, more creative, and more prone to abstract thinking.


Jessica: I would say Tangie but I want the…


Rick Kiley: Multiple choice is Clementine, Candy Land, or Super Lemon.


Jessica: Clementine.


Rick Kiley: It is correct.


Jeff Boedges: Nice job.


Jessica: In the Tangie family.


Nate: Right. I thought so. Nice job.


AK: Good job.


Rick Kiley: OK. AK, this one is part of the Hawaiian Sativa strain family. The strain offers a lot of therapeutic properties, as well as tropical pineapple-like flavor, which is its major attraction for many users. It is first established in the 60s and love for its fruity pineapple flavor, as well as its energizing and elevating effects. Is it a) Tangie, b) Sunset Sherbet, or c) Maui Wowie?


AK: That’s a good one. I mean, I would obviously go with the obvious one. You said something about Hawaii so I’m going to go with Maui Wowie.


Rick Kiley: That is correct. Well done.


Jeffrey Boedges: That one Maui Wowie, that sh*t’s a legend.


Rick Kiley: It is. Alright. Let’s stick with AK one more.


AK: Yeah. Context clues.


Rick Kiley: All right. Context clues are good. So, this is cultivated in Georgia back in the 70s. This powerful strain is a descendant of the well-loved Skunk #1. It was originally named Kush, but once Snoop Dogg coined this name, the rest was history. The Sativa-dominant strain is known for its potent and energizing high, which is nicely paired with creative activities. Multiple choice here. White Rhino, Green Crack, or Bubba Kush? I got more if you want to hear more detail.


AK: Yeah. We need more detail, please.


Rick Kiley: You can expect to feel warm cerebral rush at the onset of this high with noticeable shift in the way you perceive sensory input. THC content is average to top end coming out around 24%. For these reasons, even experienced users can be met with a metaphorical punch in the face.


AK: Nice. That didn’t help, but yeah.


Rick Kiley: Well, punch in face with White Rhino, Green Crack or…


AK: I’m saying. So, what was the multiple-choice again?


Rick Kiley: White Rhino, Green Crack.


Jeff Boedges: White Rhino, Green Crack. I’m going to say Green Crack.


Rick Kiley: Yeah, it’s Green Crack. Green Crack punches you in the face. And we got three more. Hey, audience.


Jeff Boedges: You’re coming on strong here.


Rick Kiley: Yeah. I know. It’s exciting.


Jeffrey Boedges: He started slow but he’s finishing quick.


Rick Kiley: All right, cool. This strain produces a – we’re with Jessica right now. This strain produces a potent uplifting high that boost one’s mood, produces a sense of euphoria within the user. It’s been praised over time for its ability to encourage creativity as well as bring about waves of energy and confidence. Can effectively relax, uplift the user without creating any grogginess or sluggishness. Because of its almost even Indica-Sativa balance, this strain is suited for any time of day. Is it? Do you know it? You want that multiple choice?


Jessica: Hmm, yeah.


Rick Kiley: Ice Cream Cookies, Ice Cream Cake, or Girl Scout Cookies?


Jessica: Girl Scout Cookies.


Rick Kiley: That is correct. I would have guessed – I don’t know. I would have guessed something else. I would have guessed that people were not getting these right. They are just like crushing it right now. Okay. Last one.


Nate: I just lost my place. I’m so sorry.


Rick Kiley: Last one. This Indica-dominant strain originating from the California cannabis scene was created in 2003 by a grower named Ken Estes. Do you already know the answer? After crossing Big Bud and Purple Erkle. I love just all these names just saying them out loud. It’s just so wonderful.


Jeffrey Boedges: It is very different than wine and spirits.


Rick Kiley: Yeah, which are responsible for this strange, powerful genetics. Purple Erkle gives this strain its signature grape taste, while Big Bud is responsible for its large nugs and high yields.


Jeff Boedges: Large nugs.


Rick Kiley: All right. Superiority of this strain has made it not only a California favorite but also an internationally recognized and champion cannabis strain. Is it Granddaddy Purple, Go Strain Haze, or Wonka Bars?


Nate: Granddaddy.


Rick Kiley: That is correct. All right. What’s the score after two rounds, Jeffrey?


Jeffrey Boedges: 4.5 for Jess, 4.5 for Nate, and we are at 4 for AK.


Rick Kiley: Oh my God, it’s such a close game.


Jeff Boedges: It’s close. It’s a horse race.


Rick Kiley: All right, cool. All right. Stoner quotes. How many do we have here? We got nine again. You guys ready? We’re doing well on time, so I love it. Let’s go first. Anyone? Want to volunteer to go first?


Jessica: I’ll go first.


Rick Kiley: All right, Jessica. This is a two-parter. Okay. You have to get both right. You’re going to get half credit for one of them.


Jessica: I don’t have a TV growing up.


Rick Kiley: We’ll see how that plays out.


Jeffrey Boedges: A lot of these are from the Amish.


Rick Kiley: Amish stoner quotes.


Jeffrey Boedges: Amish stoner quotes. That’s a whole another…


Rick Kiley: I told you not to raise the bar after you spoke at the Purple Haze. Okay. All right. Who inhaled? It’s a two-parter. This U.S. president claimed he tried marijuana once, “I did not inhale.” Which U.S. president said that?


Jessica: I’m like Abraham Lincoln.


Rick Kiley: He might have but he did not get quoted for it. So, this gentleman was president in after Nixon, before George W. Bush.


Jeff Boedges: You guys are cheating. A hint doesn’t mean mouthing the answer.


Jessica: Help.


Rick Kiley: Okay. His wife was recently secretary of state.


Jessica: Oh, Clinton,


Rick Kiley: Yes. William Jefferson Clinton.


Jeff Boedges: Let me give you half a point.


Jessica: I’ll take it.


Rick Kiley: Well, that was already half a point so it’s like a quarter. So, the second half of this, this US president told an audience of a magazine editor when asked if he ever inhaled, okay, “When I was a kid, I inhaled frequently. That was the point.” He said this in 2006. “That was the point.” That’s the quote. Which USA’s president in 2006…


Jeffrey Boedges: This is one question for you, Jess.


Rick Kiley: Yeah. It’s the second half.


Jessica. Donald Trump.


Rick Kiley: No. I’m sorry. It was Barack Obama. All right. We got a half a point there.


Jeff Boedges: Obama said, “You got high.” That’s what he said.


Rick Kiley: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trump…


Jeffrey Boedges: Not so much.


Rick Kiley: Yeah. He never did anything.


Jeff Boedges: He might have benefited from a little weed.


Jessica: I didn’t have internet either.


Rick Kiley: But you got three out of three on the strain. So, that’s pretty strange. Okay. All right. AK. In a 2007 romantic comedy written and produced by Judd Apatow, Seth Rogen’s character proclaims, “You know, the best thing for a hangover is weed. It’s a cure-all. My buddy Jonah broke his elbow one time. He just smokes some weed. It still clicks, but it’s cool.”


Jeff Boedges: What’s the question?


Rick Kiley: What’s the movie that it was in?


AK: Seth Rogen?


Rick Kiley: Yeah. It was a Seth Rogen movie,


AK: And he’s talking to Jonah Hill?


Jeffrey Boedges: Yeah.


AK: And you said 2007?


Rick Kiley: Yeah. I love how you’re working this.


Jeff Boedges: All about the… He’s looking for the…


AK: Pineapple Express.


Rick Kiley: That was close. That’s close. It was Knocked Up. Very good. That was close. Really good. Okay. Cool. The audience is trying to get this right. I can tell. All right. Nate, this U.S. president claimed, “I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast.” Which U.S. president?


Jeff Boedges: He would not have looked good in a bikini.


Nate: Nope. Nixon.


Rick Kiley: That was close. The answer was Ronald Reagan.


Nate: Reagan? Oh, that was the second.


AK: Bro, if you guessed that, I would’ve been pissed. I’m like, “What the f*ck.”


Rick Kiley: All right. AK, I’m coming back to you for this one. Although this celebrity homemaker has never admitted to lighting up with her buddy, Snoop, she was not shy about admitting, “Of course, I know how to roll a joint.”


AK: Martha Stewart.


Rick Kiley: Martha Stewart is correct. Well done. All right, Nate, I’m going to you. I’m going to try to keep the movie stuff away from you. In what movie does James Franco describe smoking this rare strain of weed as, “It’s almost a shame to smoke it. It’s like killing…”


AK: Pineapple Express.


Rick Kiley: Can I finish the quote? “It’s like killing a unicorn with like a bomb.” Yes, it’s Pineapple Express.


AK: Pineapple Express.


Rick Kiley: Okay. Jessica, which reggae icon once said, “When you smoke herb, it reveals you to yourself.” Music.


Jeffrey Boedges: Reggae.


Rick Kiley: Reggae.


Jessica: Bob Marley.


Rick Kiley: That is correct. This one, I think, is the hardest one here. Who wants the hardest one here? Anyone? Nate wants the hardest one. All right.


Nate: Let’s get it.


Rick Kiley: This southern politician, known for his conservative beliefs and disdain for the devil’s lettuce, shared these thoughts about people who partake, “Good people don’t smoke marijuana.” You can ask for a hint.


Nate: Yeah, please. Please do.


Rick Kiley: He was a senator and then an attorney general in a really, really Republican administration.


Nate: That’s a tough one.


Rick Kiley: His attorney generalship was short-lived.


Nate: I got to look out to my friends out in the audience here. Any hints out there? No?


Female: Like Pete McCain…


Rick Kiley: Yeah. Let’s say he was attorney general of the Trump administration.


Nate: Okay.


Jeffrey Boedges: He has the first name as me. He’s saying, “I don’t know his first name either.”


Rick Kiley: His name is Jeff.


Nate: Oh, sh*t. I don’t know his last name.


Rick Kiley: Okay.


Jeffrey Boedges: It’s not sh*t.


Rick Kiley: It’s Jeff Sessions.


Jeff Boedges: I wouldn’t know.


Rick Kiley: That’s the hardest one.


Jeffrey Boedges: It was the hardest one on there.


Nate: You got me.


Rick Kiley: Sorry. All right. Jessica, which 1960s American artist, film director, and producer famous for pop art, said, “I think pot should be legal. I don’t smoke it but I like the smell of it.” It’s not a movie. You don’t have to watch TV to know it.


Jessica: Andy Warhol?


Rick Kiley: That is correct. Well done.


Jeff Boedges: Nice.


Rick Kiley: Oh, who gave her the answer? Well done audience. All right. AK, we’re finishing with you. In which 1993 coming of age movie does Matthew McConaughey famously ask, “Say, man, you got a joint? It’d be cooler if you did.”


AK: Yeah. It’s my favorite movie. Dazed and Confused.


Rick Kiley: That is correct. All right. We’re coming in the final round.


Jeffrey Boedges: Lightning round?


Rick Kiley: No. This is The Price is Right. So, what we’re going to do, we have five – I can hear him, though. Yeah. So, he’s a soft-spoken gent but he’s good. I got him. He’s here. He’s popping up on my microphone. All right. So, we have five products. I’m told they were California prices.


Female: Yes.


Rick Kiley: California prices.


Katie Weber: So, think not a lot of tax.


Rick Kiley: Right. And so, what we’re going to do is we’re going to show them to you. You can each guess your price and then we’ll give you the right price and the winner is going to be the person who’s closest. I don’t care if you go over because we live in this day and age of going over. All right. So, what do we got? We got our first one?


Katie Weber: First one.


Rick Kiley: Can you show it to them? So, this is a – what is it?


Katie Weber: You, guys, can hold it, touch it.


Rick Kiley: Right. So, this is an infused mini pre-roll by Selfies. The strain is Gelato Crunch and it’s a 3-gram quantity, 12 of them. How much am I spending for this? How much do these infused pre-rolls cost?


Nate: I’m going to go with $35.


Rick Kiley: Thirty-five bucks from Nate. Jessica?


Jessica: 40.


Rick Kiley: All right. AK?


AK: I’m going to say $45.


Rick Kiley: Forty-five is on the nose, AK. Solid. Wow. Okay. Product 2. This is a tincture. It’s a 15-milliliter sleep, it says in parentheses. The brand is Papa and Berkeley. The quantity is 120 milligrams. How much does it cost me to take it home and, you know, put a little under my tongue every night before I go to bed?


Nate: $15.


Rick Kiley: Wow It’s 120 mg.


Jessica: $50


Rick Kiley: $50. Nate, do you want to…


Jeff Boedges: Do you want to revise your question?


Nate: I’ll revise. Let’s see, I’ll go $40.


Rick Kiley: $40. AK?


AK: I’ll probably say for this, one bar, 100 mg.


Rick Kiley: 120 mg.


AK: 120 mg, I mean, I’m not paying more than $20 for that.


Nate: Usually it’s a lot lower in…


Rick Kiley: Yeah. Unfortunately, the answer was 55.


Nate: Wow.


Jessica: I’m the closest.


Rick Kiley: Jessica gets a point. But we have determined that people don’t think it should be that much. That’s important.


AK: Yeah. It’s 100 mg.


Nate: 100 mg, $15, $20.


Jessica: Yeah. But it’s CBN and CBD.


Rick Kiley: All right. Product type. This is some flower by Pacific Stone. The strain is Blue Dream, which is a Sativa, 7 grams in quantity in a THC percentage of 24.5%. What am I paying for the 7 grams of the Blue Dream?


Jeff Boedges: And what am I paying for the Fritos I eat after I smoke it?


Rick Kiley: There you go. Go ahead, Jessica. Someone jump in.


AK: I mean, saying that, that’s a weird question. What I’m buying it for ain’t what it’s going to be selling for the regular people.


Rick Kiley: Yeah. What’s it going to be sold for?


AK: For what it’s being sold for, I would say for 7 grams, that’s a quarter. I’m selling that for like quarter Blue Dream, $55.


Rick Kiley: $55. Jessica?


Jessica: In the state of Massachusetts, this would cost $110.


Rick Kiley: $110?


Jessica: But in the state of California, 80.


Rick Kiley: Okay. Wow.


Nate: 70.


Jeffrey Boedges: Actual retail price?


Rick Kiley: I got $40 on my notes here.


Katie Weber: It’s true.


Jeffrey Boedges: Akin would be close.


Rick Kiley: So, he gets a point. It’s a bargain right there in California. We should all be living in California if we want our weed. That’s what I’m hearing right now.


AK: Or buying from me.


Rick Kiley: Buy from AK, everyone. All right. We got two more to go. All right. This one is an edible. The brand is Kiva. It is a dark chocolate toffee crunch bar. I’m going to tell you about a Phish show that I got in trouble with infused dark chocolate toffee crunch bar once one time…


Jeffrey Boedges: By trouble he means he sat down.


Rick Kiley: Exactly. One bar is 100 grams, 5 mg per serving. How much am I paying for this chocolate bar?


Nate: I mean, in Mass, in the medical field, this would be consistently $15 or $20. I know it’s not going to be that because it’s going to be for some reason, it’s higher in California, which kind of blows my mind but it’s going to be priced around the same price that other 100 mg product was so if I remember was it $50?


Jessica: I’m saying 30.


Rick Kiley: 30, 50.


AK: Yeah, I’d say about, I know the bars go for like $40.


Rick Kiley: Really? California, we’re on $20 bucks on that edible bar.


Jessica: I won that one.


Rick Kiley: All right. Last one. Oil cartridge, Kurvana. The strain is Tangie Dream. It’s a 1-gram oil cartridge. What am I spending for this? All right. Someone jump in.


Jessica: 60.


Nate: 70.


AK: Near 70.


Jeffrey Boedges: You can’t guess the same. You got to mix it up.


Nate: All right. Cool. I’m a firm 70.


AK: A 1-gram cart, 60.


Rick Kiley: I would say 70 is the answer and that’s not fair. We got to give them another point.


Jeff Boedges: I’ll give you half.


Rick Kiley: Both of them get a point. All right. Good job, everyone. All right. That’s the end of the trivia. What’s our final score here? Where are we at? You have to see if we have to get the lightning round.


Jeffrey Boedges: It’s my understanding there’ll be no math involved.


Rick Kiley: But look what you just like scribbled. We should take a picture of this page. Oh my gosh. We’re on the radio. You’re adding this as we get…


Jeffrey Boedges: 8.75.


Rick Kiley: An 8.75?


Jeffrey Boedges: 8.75 points for Jessica. We have 6 for Nate. Nate, you just got killed on The Price Is Right.


Rick Kiley: I’m sorry. That’s too bad. All right.


Jeffrey Boedges: And Akin, you had 7.5.


Rick Kiley: 7.5. Jessica is our winner.


Jeff Boedges: Jessica, the healthy weed and yet she had some healthy help from some people.


Rick Kiley: That is true. Jessica had a little bit of help from the audience.


Jeff Boedges: Not bad for somebody who’s not seen a movie ever.


Rick Kiley: Yeah. So, it’s really good. So, really, I just want to sum up here and thank all of you guys for joining us. We had a lot of fun today.


Jeff Boedges: I was answering my own questions and keeping my own score. I got a 2.


Rick Kiley: Yeah, Jeff did not do very well. He did well in the quotes, which is why we had that.


Jeffrey Boedges: No, I didn’t know sh*t on anything. So, yeah, true.


Rick Kiley: Anyway, so this is going to air 4/20. It’s our 420 episode. Everybody have a great 420. Celebrate this cannabis industry. You all are doing really good work and appreciate everything you’re doing out there.


Jeff Boedges: A little teaser for next year. We’re going to go out and sing 420 carols. We are, you know, basically, looking for people to submit their 420 carols.


Rick Kiley: Right. We are asking for submissions. So, if you want to take any Christmas Carol and rewrite it with cannabis-related lyrics, I will sing it live on our next podcast.


Jeff Boedges: To next 420. Yeah.


Rick Kiley:  No. Yeah. No, any podcast.


Jeffrey Boedges: Okay.


Rick Kiley: This will be a running…


Jeffrey Boedges: Okay. We’re hurting for content.


Rick Kiley: Yeah. It’s content start. Anyway, we really appreciate you joining us today. Thank you so much.


Jessica: Thank you.


AK: Thank you, guys.


Nate: Thank you so much.



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